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chris_the_spaz
08-24-2007, 11:23 PM
I've heard a lot of criticism regarding the Mini. People all over the place are dogging it. Especially players who spent hundreds more on their marker, who insist that they would never be caught dead on a tournament field with a Mini.

I've been shooting my Invert Mini for a few months now. I've got a few things to say to the critics.

I've heard:

"It's untested and the company that makes it is unknown."

Well...I had problems with uncontrolled leaking when I received my mini. I called their tech support people. I got a live operator after 1 ring. Their staff was courteous and knowledgeable. They tried to help me fix it over the phone, but when I started running out of air, they offered to fix it at their factory. They emailed me a FedEx shipping label, I shipped it to them, and they got the gun back to me 2 days later. It has worked flawlessly ever since. The problem ended up being a velocity adjuster issue, which they fixed rather easily. I was so impressed with their customer service, I bought a second Invert Mini for my wife.

"It chops paint."

Let me first say that I don't even have the second revision circuit board in my Mini's, because I bought them shortly after they were released. I've fired several cases through each of my Mini's. I fired on semi-auto, ramping, and full auto with a VL Egg 3 hopper. I've only ever broken 1 ball, and that broke in the barrel. I have asked several people about their experiences, and all have said that if you keep the eyes clean, you'll never have to worry about it. The eyes are positioned below the feed neck (just like on any marker with anti-chop eyes). If you get a break in the hopper and paint touches the eyes, your anti-chop circuit is rendered useless. That goes for any gun out there. The Mini is not the only gun that can suffer from this type of malfunction.

"There aren't any custom upgrades available for it."

That's what the first Autococker owners probably said. The Mini currently has no glaring weaknesses that would require significant upgrade. There are already aftermarket bolts, triggers, circuit boards and barrels available. What more do you need? A drop forward is the only legitimate gripe that I have heard, but it is only a matter of time before that happens. I have always shot drop forwards on my Cockers and Angels, but the Mini is so darn small and light, you don't even really the drop. The weight of the tank and hopper are all that you feel, so the balance of the gun is right where you would have it with a heavier marker using a drop. A drop would definitely make the gun more appealing to a wider variety of players, so I don't think it will take very long for the folks at Empire to conjure something up.

"The ASA is huge and clunky, and there's no on/off."

The ASA is not huge and clunky. In the photographs it appears that way, because the entire marker is ridiculously small. The reason the ASA is as large as it is (not much larger than a typical dovetail ASA with an on/off built in), is because it has a regulator and a filter built in to it. As for the on/off, you don't even need that. The ASA on the Mini releases the bottle without blowing out the bottle o-ring, because it has a built-in purge. They incorporated a vent that will even depressurize the gun through the ASA rather than blowing up your solenoid if you somehow over-pressurize the reg. Threading the tank on or off the gun is almost effortless even without the on/off.


All in all, the Mini is a very good marker at a very good price. The customer service is fantastic. The gun is light, efficient (I've gotten 1200 to 1300 shots out of a 68/4500), easy to maintain, comes with very nice accessories, and is as fast as any other "high end" marker out there. I'm not ashamed to say that it is now my primary marker. "Pro" players have shot the Mini. They've loved it. They still claim they won't put down their Angel, Ego, or Timmy in favor of a Mini. To them I say..."whatever, man!" When you get to a certain age, you realize that name brands and glamour don't always mean you're buying the best product. I'm not saying those more expensive markers are bad. They're all great. I'm just saying that they offer very little that you can't get with the Invert Mini.

It won't be long before you see this marker becoming a favorite among tournament players. Of course, that would require them to pull the stick out of their you-know-what and drop the dollar sign mentality that has made the $1300 marker a tournament necessity. Either that, or it will require the entire paintball world realizing what a great marker the Mini is, and the demand will drive the price up high enough to draw the attention of the materialistic crowd.



Thanks for reading. This commentary was written by Chris the Spaz. I am a 15 year veteran of the sport. I've played tournament ball with many teams (APL and NPPL) over the years. I'm not a newbie. I'm a grumpy old guy with bad knees that keep me from going out there and gogging you young punks with your iMac hoppers that spill paint when you run. Don't laugh. If you keep playing paintball, you'll have bad knees someday too.

spyderkingg
08-24-2007, 11:26 PM
I DON'T CARE WHAT THAT SAYS NO NEED TO READ IT

THE MINI IS TRES TRES GOOD?

But thanks for the info bud.

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vtecmarco
08-25-2007, 12:20 AM
Nice review man....hope you stay around.

maldon007
08-25-2007, 02:05 AM
Please dont come on our forum & assume the stupid crap you heard elsewhere is spewed here... Foolish negitive claims about decent guns dont stand here... they are imediately shot down.

Thanks for the review... but look around here before you assume we dont know stuff.

chris_the_spaz
08-25-2007, 02:16 AM
Please dont come on our forum & assume the stupid crap you heard elsewhere is spewed here... Foolish negitive claims about decent guns dont stand here... they are imediately shot down.

Thanks for the review... but look around here before you assume we dont know stuff.
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Where did I accuse you of anything there, zippy? Why don't you listen to some of your own advice and try not jumping to conclusions?

The purpose of my post was to inform others who may have heard the stupid crap spewed elsewhere. Nothing more. You might not believe the claims made by others, but there might be some here who wouldn't consider buying a gun unless they knew the truth about it. I'm here to bring the truth. Take it or leave it, but don't accuse me of making assumptions.

You're welcome...for the review.

maldon007
08-25-2007, 02:22 AM
*slowly shakes head*

When you post a big disertation about how a gun is not as bad as people say... in a forum where pretty much everyone knows its a good gun... it shows you are indeed the conclusion jumper.

Maybe just read some posts here about the gun???... before posting unneeded stuff & taking up space?

chris_the_spaz
08-25-2007, 02:30 AM
*slowly shakes head*

When you post a big disertation about how a gun is not as bad as people say... in a forum where pretty much everyone knows its a good gun... it shows you are indeed the conclusion jumper.

Maybe just read some posts here about the gun???... before posting unneeded stuff & taking up space?
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Listen, dude! I don't care who you are. You're being unreasonable. I came here to post general information about a paintball marker that has been getting a bad rap across the paintball community. To say otherwise is stupid. I felt that this bad publicity would scare off potential buyers unless the false claims were contested. I never said that anyone here was making any of the false claims, only that they should know about them, and know that they are false.

I'm trying to help people make an educated decision. All you are doing is interfering with that process by declaring, "I already know it's a good gun." News flash...you're not the only person here. You're not the only guy in the whole world who plays paintball. Get over yourself. Let those who would benefit from my post do so without your accusations and inconsiderate derailment of this once productive thread.

Yankeez
08-25-2007, 02:31 AM
Maldon knows all. Never doubt him.

maldon007
08-25-2007, 02:47 AM
Listen, dude! I don't care who you are. You're being unreasonable. I came here to post general information about a paintball marker that has been getting a bad rap across the paintball community. To say otherwise is stupid. I felt that this bad publicity would scare off potential buyers unless the false claims were contested. I never said that anyone here was making any of the false claims, only that they should know about them, and know that they are false.

I'm trying to help people make an educated decision. All you are doing is interfering with that process by declaring, "I already know it's a good gun." News flash...you're not the only person here. You're not the only guy in the whole world who plays paintball. Get over yourself. Let those who would benefit from my post do so without your accusations and inconsiderate derailment of this once productive thread.
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Wow...

1. Its not "general information" ...its an atempt at dispelling myths that dont exist here.

2. I have not seen this bad rap in the "paintball comunity" ...please link me to this.

3. There is are tons of threads about the gun... 99% positive if you cared to look before posting.

4. Why do we need to know... about false claims?

5. I am not interfearing in anything, just commenting on the uselessness of your thread.

6. I said "we" already know its a good gun... not "I".

7. If you wish to disprove false negitive claims about a gun... at least wait for the false claim... to happen (here).

8. I hope you stay around and correct any false info that comes up ON THIS FORUM... since you seem to know some stuff. You just dont seem to know when/where the info is needed yet :P

Yankeez
08-25-2007, 02:49 AM
7. If you wish to disprove false negitive claims about a gun... at least wait for the false claim... to happen (here).

8. I hope you stay around and correct any false info that comes up ON THIS FORUM... since you seem to know some stuff. You just dont seem to know when/where the info is needed yet :P
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lol :lol:

chris_the_spaz
08-25-2007, 04:00 AM
Hiding your head in the sand doesn't make a problem go away. Just because you don't bad-mouth the Mini on this forum, doesn't mean that people who visit here haven't heard something bad about it. I'm not trying to debate the issue with anyone here. I'm informing the people here that the myths are out there.

I did look at your forum before posting. I saw that there was no dedicated forum for Mini users. I also saw that there were no dedicated Mini threads, other than people asking whether they should buy a Mini or a PMR. I saw alot of people saying how they felt a Mini compared to a PMR. Nobody took the time to give an actual testimonial of their experience with the Mini other than, "it shoots great." A Brass Eagle Stingray shoots great if there's nobody shooting back at you. I gave a more practical summary of first hand experiences with the marker that debunk the myths that some of your guests may have heard elsewhere.

No offense, but what the heck do you have a forum for if you don't want people sharing information? The idea is to debunk the myths that are out there BEFORE they become commonplace. Just because there aren't any threads about these false claims, doesn't mean that people haven't heard them. Some of those people may have questions about these claims. I'm trying to answer the questions that haven't been answered yet. I'm not here to get into a pointless argument with you over something just because "you" don't think it's a problem. You keep saying "we" but your "we" does not represent everyone who casually comes to "your" forum to get an idea about the paintball equipment options that are out there. Look at the number of guests viewing the forum. How many of those people are members? How many are casual observers looking to confirm something before making a paintball related purchase?

Say whatever you want about the timing of my post. I wasn't trying to win your approval. You're the self-proclaimed king of one website on an internet full of them. The information may seem useless to you, but not everyone here is a paintball equipment retailer. Let people judge for themselves whether or not the information is valuable. If you can't use the information, it probably wasn't intended for you.


I've had numerous debates about the Mini in several different paintball chat rooms. I've seen retailers who put their whole inventory of Minis on eBay because they were so afraid of the bad reputation that they thought they'd never sell them. Since you want links to examples of people bad-mouthing the marker, I'll give you a couple of examples.

You'll find a lot of bad remarks here that are unfounded. Sometimes it only takes a couple of bad reviews on a site like this to scare off a potential customer:

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/4913/

These cornholes try pretty hard to make the Mini look foolish. This isn't the only place that this video is posted. The guy who obviously hates Minis also has this posted on his Myspace:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBeJmRZ2is0

maldon007
08-25-2007, 04:18 AM
I did look at your forum before posting. I saw that there was no dedicated forum for Mini users. I also saw that there were no dedicated Mini threads, other than people asking whether they should buy a Mini or a PMR. I saw alot of people saying how they felt a Mini compared to a PMR. Nobody took the time to give an actual testimonial of their experience with the Mini other than, "it shoots great."

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You failed-

http://forums.paintball.com/index.php?show...149&hl=mini (http://forums.paintball.com/index.php?showtopic=37149&hl=mini)




The pbreview link shows 4 pages of reviews... with an average rating of 9/10...

The vid is irrelivant.


If your post helps sombody, that is great... but it probably wont. It will be ignored & the new guy will just start a thread & ask if the gun is decent or crap... & we will be here to set him straight.

So hang around... help set people straight... but dont wast time ansuring unmade charges & unasked questions.

Anyway, just my opinion :D

chris_the_spaz
08-26-2007, 03:24 PM
I failed?

It appears you didn't read the entires. You sound a lot like a guy who loves to yell out criticisms, but you don't really heed your own advice.

You guys suck! You've totally over-reacted to an innocent post that was intended to be informative. You made it argumentative. I didn't feel like I wasted my time. You, however, have wasted everyone's time.

You win. You can keep your crappy little internet forum. I'll be cancelling my account here. I go to plenty of paintball forums where people don't bash you for trying to be helpful. I don't need this garbage. Keep everyone here under your thumb, so you can continue to sell them garbage and make money from them.

Freaking online retailers. :rolleyes:

maldon007
08-26-2007, 03:41 PM
I failed?

It appears you didn't read the entires. You sound a lot like a guy who loves to yell out criticisms, but you don't really heed your own advice.

You guys suck! You've totally over-reacted to an innocent post that was intended to be informative. You made it argumentative. I didn't feel like I wasted my time. You, however, have wasted everyone's time.

You win. You can keep your crappy little internet forum. I'll be cancelling my account here. I go to plenty of paintball forums where people don't bash you for trying to be helpful. I don't need this garbage. Keep everyone here under your thumb, so you can continue to sell them garbage and make money from them.

Freaking online retailers. :rolleyes:
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Ha!... how did I know you wouldnt actually stay around & HELP people who need it. You posted your rant about imagined attacks on the invert mini... now you move on to troll somplace else :lol:


1. You were invited on multiple occasions, by more than one person to stay... we just said that specific post was not needed... preaching to the choir so to speak.

2. I never argued with the info in your post... just said we know already.

3. You called names first.

4. You claimed to have searched for reviews of a mini on this forum... but you didnt, I showed you that.

5. I wasted somones time?.... If anyone actually read your post, you owe them 5 min.of thier life back.

6. Under my thumb?... I was'nt the first one to say you post was unneeded... I just agreed.

7. Make money from them???... Do you think I support myself by spending hours a week helping people out on this forum... to sell maybe $100 a month on here? (if that)

8. I am not really an online retailer... Its a hobby jackass :rolleyes:

9. You will not be missed.

10. Ha ha.

NoelyDeezNutz
08-26-2007, 05:31 PM
i live online... plain and simple... and i have yet to hear that the mini is a bad marker... infact, i hear more of "the mini is as good as any $1,000 marker out there" than "it sucks"

Many of us have been around paintball for a bit (me not soo much as most, but i know more than about 97% of paintballers)

we here, on paintball.com and the other sites we are apart of, come here to help others... while most of us say THANK YOU for writing a review.... So Maldon said it was an uneeded one, that you basically posted just to post.... so what? does it really bother you THAT much? if so... you probably shouldnt be on the internet... because there is some dangerous stuff on here... (although im sure you know where to find those XXX sites ;) )

if you really have been apart of the game for so long, and realize that a HUGE part of paintball is helping others... than why get all bent out of shape when he made a post that wasnt really bashing you in the first place?



the video is pathetic (seeing as there is broken paint all inside the hopper, which isnt a marker issue, its a paint issue)

also, ive read the reviews on PBR.... and guess what... look at some of the other things the people review... one guy gave it a 1/10, he also did reviews for a stiletto drop forward... i think that speaks for itself...

msa0803
09-03-2007, 02:51 PM
wow i havent been around paintball for a while or this forum but maldoon is always helpfull 2 everyone who needs help from what ive read and i havent heard one bad thing about a mini

willmonke
09-06-2007, 07:46 PM
Talk about useless drivel, except for the original post, this is nothing but egomania off the chain. :angry:

maldon007
09-06-2007, 07:56 PM
Talk about useless drivel, except for the original post, this is nothing but egomania off the chain. :angry:
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Whatever you say chris :lol:

crazyfoolx311
08-26-2008, 07:19 PM
i just got back into the game i got rid of my eorracle cocker. at the time that was a very pricy gun . and i just recently bought a invert mini just as starters to get back in the game. im very suprised when i took it onto the field last saturday :D light as hell pretty fast. i made sure i got a second generation mini tho. i looked into them and i heard the seconds were great. my set up right now is 45/45 and torque , soon to get a 14inch ultralite. all black = one sweet inexpensive marker ! i was kinda upset about the torque tho. fast as hell but the whole not shutting off thing pissed me off :angry:

Nindorf
02-24-2009, 12:06 PM
The Invert Mini is an excellent gun. I personally own one, and the asa is not huge, its a bit bigger than a regular asa, but it doesnt stick out or anything. There is no on/ off, but take two or three shots of dry firing, and that will kill the pressure. The guns' eyes work wonderfully, Invert has all of the bugs worked out now so the gun is better than it was. Buy it, no upgrades needed, trigger and barrel are the only things, but those arn't really needed.

maldon007
02-25-2009, 12:14 PM
Yup, still a great gun... even though this thread is a tad old ;)

FOFballa
08-22-2009, 07:39 PM
the board in my mini is f'd. ;_;

im sad.