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[dynastyfan]

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I was reading todays article on the coverage at Hunington Beach. I must say that I felt the last portion of the aritlce was a bit over bearing. This section of the article talks about over shooting. Now while I can't say I am 100% against over shooting because I have in fact done it myself. But the main focus was on an HK who was shot 5 times when a player went to bunker him. The player was hit 4 times in the back and one time in the pack. This to me and many other players is not that out of hand. I have been shot more than 5 times on failed bunker attempts, locked down lanes, and aggravated players. This is not an occurance that in my humble opinion should not be given a second glance. Also to my next point, it was an HK player. While I like HK they are infamous for playing the grey on the feild. So I see it as the player who bunkered the HK player as just making sure that the HK player and the refs knew he was out and not a malicious act as the article states. Just read the article and form your own opinion.

[backguy77]

I agree.

[Spraythepaintandwin]

Originally posted by backguy77@Mar 26 2006, 02:16 AM
I agree.
185187

I second that

[danman2008]

Hk is known for the grey area playing but still I don't think the team really matters. 4 shots in the back and 1 on the pack isnt that bad.

[bnardozzi]

i was at nppl tampa last year i think i thought just about the worst overshot i have ever witnessed there was one guy in a back middle stand up and and three guys left two guys went to double bunker and all the fans started yelling two comin or w/e they said and the guy shot one guy out right wen he got to him but both of them shot him about 10 times a peace

[Doorman]

Well it was stated that this wasn't the worst overshooting seen, just one example of it.

It doesn't matter if the other team plays in the grey or not, in fact this goes to the heart of the problem. Just because someone else is doing it, does that mean it's right? When does the player hold themselves to a higher standard and refuse to overshoot or play in the grey?

If it were cracked down on each and every time it happened, then the problem wouldn't exist. Allowing players to use that grey area just encourages others to do the same.

I agree with the article, when is enough enough?

[HotPBcMomma]

I agree with the article.

The article is bringing up the over shooting idea and questioning when is enough, enough. In fact, it was actually in line with many of the paintball forum talk yesterday. Teams complained of over shooting or those watching it did.

As Doorman stated, the example posted said it wasn't the worst example, just an example of it.

Plus when Breeze is covering a story, he is to get the article written up and looking through hundreds of photo thumbnails after a days worth of trekking to all the fields to cover the story for all of us....Breeze found just an example to post, not necessarily the best case one and he stated that.

Plus, the article is generating exactly what he intended, which is for all of us to think about it. :g:

And we are. :1:

~J

[dynastyfan]

Originally posted by Doorman@Mar 26 2006, 08:29 AM
Well it was stated that this wasn't the worst overshooting seen, just one example of it.

It doesn't matter if the other team plays in the grey or not, in fact this goes to the heart of the problem. Just because someone else is doing it, does that mean it's right? When does the player hold themselves to a higher standard and refuse to overshoot or play in the grey?

If it were cracked down on each and every time it happened, then the problem wouldn't exist. Allowing players to use that grey area just encourages others to do the same.

I agree with the article, when is enough enough?
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I see where you are coming from with that. But, playing in that level of an NPPL tournament you have to pay a SERIOUS amount of money. So why spend all that money and then loose a big game because some team or player refuses to play clean. Honestly I see over shooting as if someone is waving their hand and standing out and you keep filling them up. Those pictures to me show a player making sure another player was out, a player that plays for a team known for a dishonest style of play. Are any of you guys willing to let a criminal come into your home and take your TV, unless you want the inssurance money NO. So whats the difference in a player putting 5 shots into a player who would probably wipe just one hit. Also let the kid know he is out so he wont swing around and eliminate you and get your team 7 points closer to the semis, or finals et cetra.

[Doorman]

Hmmm, I'm sorry dfan, I just don't see it the way you are thinking... at least not completely.

I understand that they pay a lot of money (a little over 5K), but this doesn't give anyone the right to play in the grey areas imo. Anyone caught doing so needs to be penalized. If HK is known for it, then they need to be watched closely. A firm 0 tolerance policy againts any type of cheating will eliminate the feeling of needing to prove the guy is out. At the risk of losing their entry fees, the teams will definately take notice and stop.

Getting away from the thief analogy, let's go with a football one.... Wiping a hit isn't the same as jumping offsides in football, one is an intentional violation and the other is bad timing. Wiping a hit is more akin to charging the QB and taking those extra steps after he's released the ball, or grabbing the receiver and pulling him to the ground well before the ball gets there. The intention is easy enough to see in that type of play... one of wanting to have an advantage and deciding to take actions to ensure it happens.

When it comes right down to it... No wiping = no bonus balling. But as long as the leagues continue to condone the grey area playing, this will never happen. Something needs to change, about the entire way things are handled on the field... and it starts with the leagues cracking down on the teams, no matter how much money is riding on the call.

[surealpaintballer]

i say a strict ruleing on cheating

If a team is caught wiping or makers that are found illegal should be banned from the next tourment and recive no points for the one they just competed in.

This will make any team think twice about wiping and such...there for alot of the over shooting problems could be solved but i still belive it will still happen

i thouht dfan was ypg...i think it is the avatar

[Rg2o3]

i agree to some points of the article but it is always better to be safe than sry...say he only got him once and maybe its on his foot and he easily wipes it without being seen and then turns shoots u out and u were one game away from the finals.... i say be sure hes out maybe like 3 or 4 hits is good after that i think its "overshooting"

[lakersfan718]

i dont mind over shooting someone when its like just 5 shots but when someone shoots someone like 15 times then im againest it

[EmpireLover]

I agree with d-fan. Look at all the other NPPL tournament videos and you can see a bunch of examples of over 5 shots.(Not neccesarily filmed by somebody payed by the NPPL)

[F.T. Phantom]

The realy bad thing about the 5 shots is that it isn't bad. Not at that level and against known cheats.

For the most part, overshooting is a due to technology, overzealous players and nonexistent to bad officiating.

The newest generation of tourny tech markers are set up for the 15 bps limit. 5 BPs are shot in the time it takes a player to round a bunker. 5 BPs have hit the victim in the time it takes the bunkerer to realize they have hit them.

Players that have that adrenalin rush going over shoot without even thinking about it. Experienced players should have more control, but will also have that nagging doubt about their opponents integrity.

Refs should get some of the blame. Not necessarily the NPPL refs, but the ones who have allowed it to happen else where and have not done anyhting about it. They have let the mindset sink into some players and they believe it is needed to win.

It would be nice if we could count on a player knowing and admitting to being hit with one paintball, with a ref in the perfect position to make the call, so that players never saw a need to keep shooting. It would be nice if I was independently wealthy. The latter is more likely to happen, but, not very.

The whole mindset will need to be changed. The fast markers are overkill. The players need to remember it is a game and we are suposed to be having fun. The refs (the ones who are slacking or negligent) need to get it together and do thier jobs.

It may well take one of the leagues loosing money over the issue before anything is ever done. The PSP loosing the Marriot deal realy motivated them to deal with a issue or two.