They ruined it!!!

[-havok-]

http://216.139.208.205/landing/blackcellion.asp

omg, i think that is the dumbest thing ive ever seen in the history of paintball.

later
havok

[yellowpumpguy]

What ever. I hate Spec Ops any way, so I could care less what they do. They take decent markers, stick on a bunch of useless crap and sell em' for a ridiculous price.

[PaintballinnTGP1608(2)]

hmm...

beginnin was kinda cheesy, lol. :P

[Russ7017]

that's sooo gay

[Shifty]

lol that gun wit 2 barrels looks sick wonder how it would be used in speed ball :P jk i wouldnt buy them unless i liked the senerio games then i deff would

[surealpaintballer]

Originally posted by JustAnotherPaintballNewb@Nov 4 2005, 05:42 PM
lol that gun wit 2 barrels looks sick wonder how it would be used in speed ball :P jk i wouldnt buy them unless i liked the senerio games then i deff would
111183

it's not two barrels...

its a barrel (lower tube)
and a like 30 round feed tube (top tube,.)

[LTshocker]

lol yet another shiny edition of a gun with some stuff thats useless unless ur a scenario player(hardcore though i like the Q bow but i wouldnt get it unless i actually liked woods its alright sometimes bbut no i do not lik it lol my ion in my sig will b better than those

[Shifty]

it's not two barrels...

its a barrel (lower tube)
and a like 30 round feed tube (top tube,.)

-------------------
my bad ty for correcting me w/o flaming that would be cool if it had 2 barrels though :)

[mat_890]

wow they actually look cool

always found it odd that people have no problem buying overpriced fancy ups, bodys, and assories (sp) for a speed ball gun but when woodsball gun comes out with cool looking upgrades its "the dumbest thing ive ever seen in the history of paintball"

[DeadonAccurate0504]

now those noobs who get the ion (not all of em are noobs i mean i have an ion and me no noob) are gonna get the sniper and be like ima pwn u with my ion or snipe u from 200 feet a way

[surealpaintballer]

Originally posted by DeadonAccurate0504@Nov 4 2005, 07:42 PM
now those noobs who get the ion (not all of em are noobs i mean i have an ion and me no noob) are gonna get the sniper and be like ima pwn u with my ion or snipe u from 200 feet a way
111265

now they wont... scnerio player will if anyone...

[mr.kendo]

This old news to me.

[LiquidForce-]

never thought this gun could get any crappier.. but yet again.. spec ops comes to the throne of my butt solids again

[l SP l Impulse]

Ions already suck why would you put another $300 in it and make it look horrible and heavier just stupid.

[proanti1]

a few of em look kinda cool, and the one with 2 barrels dosnt have 2 barrels, the upper thing is the ball holder.

[dyingwithoutapologies]

Three words, woodsball is dead.

[dynastyfan]

Originally posted by dyingwithoutapologies@Nov 9 2005, 04:08 AM
Three words, woodsball is dead.
113678



HAHAHA your lack of intelligence makes me laugh, 70% of the money brought in by paintball as a whole, is the rec/woodsball market. you closed minded little kids need to seriously take a step back and look at how we are seriously tearing this sport apart from the inside. But wait you can't do that cause woodsball is "teh suck". Let people spend their money on what THEY want, honestly go to oklahoma d day, those guys would tear you guys another ###### hole. Honestly woodsballers know how to gun fight. Dont beleive me go play with some woodsballers they will tear your little heads off with their 15 pound guns. Also spec. ops would not be in business right now if no one bought their products. As a company they are doing well, that shows you that dare i say it, there is a woodsball market and its a big one.

[dyingwithoutapologies]

Originally posted by dynastyfan@Nov 8 2005, 10:28 PM
HAHAHA your lack of intelligence makes me laugh, 70% of the money brought in by paintball as a whole, is the rec/woodsball market. you closed minded little kids need to seriously take a step back and look at how we are seriously tearing this sport apart from the inside. But wait you can't do that cause woodsball is "teh suck". Let people spend their money on what THEY want, honestly go to oklahoma d day, those guys would tear you guys another ###### hole. Honestly woodsballers know how to gun fight. Dont beleive me go play with some woodsballers they will tear your little heads off with their 15* pound guns. Also spec. ops would not be in business right now if no one bought their products. As a company they are doing well, that shows you that dare i say it, there is a woodsball market and its a big one.
113712


We'rnt you the one who said somthing about how bad flaming is now. Well you could be a reason. And yes a woodsball would kill me on a woodsball feild, but he would not stand a chance against me on a speedball feild. Oh and in the agust editition of APG someone wrote a letter complaing that the magizene covers nothing relating to woodsball. APG replied by saying, there are no woodsball tournaments to cover, but if there is one we would cover it. Woodsball is basically rec-ball. Oh and stop complaing about " tearing this sport from the inside" read what you wrote. Your contradicting yourself.

[dynastyfan]

How am I contrdicting my self, I am trying to pull you head out of your ######. Yeah open up an issue of APG( since you speak SOOOOOO highley of it) and tell me woodsball is dead. I am not flaming you or any one on this site. I am showing you guys that you look like a bunch of assholes. Also spec. ops didnt ruin the ion they found a way to make money off its popularity.

[dyingwithoutapologies]

QUOTE(dynastyfan @ Nov 8 2005, 10:28 PM)
HAHAHA your lack of intelligence makes me laugh


This isnt flaming?

[dynastyfan]

No its pointing out the lack of inteligence in your post.

[dyingwithoutapologies]

So yes saying i lack intelligence is flaming you dumb ######.

[dynastyfan]

Originally posted by dyingwithoutapologies@Nov 9 2005, 05:07 AM
So yes saying i lack intelligence is flaming you dumb ######.
113747



that is flaming, using wit to get my point across that you arent the brightest crayon in the box, is not flaming.

[dyingwithoutapologies]

Originally posted by dynastyfan@Nov 8 2005, 11:12 PM
that is flaming, using wit to get my point across that you arent the brightest crayon in the box, is not flaming.
113750



Every time you speak you make yourself look stupider. I never tried to offend you in anyway and just stated somthing i saw in APG. So dude, get over it because i don't like arguing with people who just say the same thing over and over. And stop calling me stupid, that is not using wit, it is being a jack@ss.

[dynastyfan]

yeah ok now you are the one who is contradicting them selves. you say im just saying the same thing over and over. So are you. Also dont go by what APG tells you, if you went by every thing APG says then every time someone stepped out side of a field with a paintball gun then there would be a posse of little politically correct paintball pansies complaining and writing letters about how its hurting paintball.

[dynastyfan]

Also stupider is not a word. You can thank your school for that great education.

[surealpaintballer]

ok guys....take it to pm's it will not hinde the baord and allow you guys to say what you really mean.

[-havok-]

What i want to know how this thread came to be a flame center...just chill out everything will be O.K. and if im right dyedude22 made a sticky to not avoid the swear filter. On the brightside of things i think its funny that dynasty doesnt have to cuss to get his point across :)

later
havok

[dyingwithoutapologies]

Hey
Sorry about last night, because i thought it was pointless and wanted it to end. And i just want to say again i was just stating somthing and didn't want to argue with anyone. Trust me this is hard for me because i hate apologizeing( sp) to people in a fight like this. So Dynasty i hope you can forgive me, because i have forgiven you.

[Nuclee369]

read ?riddle?'s article i believe it is called gimmics and useless crap

[proanti1]

Originally posted by dyingwithoutapologies@Nov 8 2005, 08:08 PM
Three words, woodsball is dead.
113678

dude, are you retarded? tippmann makes nothing but woodsball guns, yet they sell like 150 a5's a day in the us. there are more woodsball feilds and more people have woodsball guns (or use speedball guns in woodsball). im pretty much speedball oriented, but i still know that woodsball has more players.

[thevoiceinurhd]

There are alot of woodsball tournaments around here, and most people play woodsball, because of feild locations. Woodsball brings more people into the sport than speedball does. Because noobs get afraid of 4 people shooting Egos and trixs at them, when they use there rentals.
Woodsball brings players in.

[mat_890]

"woodsball is dead"

ok just so everybody knows woodsball was the first form of paintball commonally played...speedball was invented later and was designed to be for spectators. (small arens with small forms of cover)

woodsball is not dead however you will never see it on tv and you will rarely see torniments BECAUSE its not a spectator sport....there is no tv contracts ans more importantally there are few sponcers because its ment to be played not watched. Speedball in a "pro" sence is desined as an exciting fast pase game that ppl will like to watch thats why it seems more popular

[Neowarrior]

Originally posted by thevoiceinurhd@Nov 10 2005, 01:28 PM
There are alot of woodsball tournaments around here, and most people play woodsball, because of feild locations. Woodsball brings more people into the sport than speedball does. Because noobs get afraid of 4 people shooting Egos and trixs at them, when they use there rentals.
Woodsball brings players in.
114368


Agreed I got into this sport just a few weeks ago by going to a large scenerio game at my local field. I probably wouldn't be as much into paintball now if my first game would have been a speedball match where i got lit up by $1k guns.

[dyingwithoutapologies]

Did anybody read the big fight me and dyanasty had. Its over and i have already apologized.

[supersniperII]

i think the dagger is a pretty cool setup for an ion. im not sure i likie the stocks on an ion though.

[Colonel Sanders]

Spec Ops sucks. They try to make PaintBall look so hardcore and serious. They just add in words like, "Elite" and "Rougue" to their overpriced merchandise to make morons waste money on their stuff. Just look at their site, its ridiculous. They try to add some high tec Tom Clancyish look to it. I'm half asleep so I dont think I made much sense, but my point is, Spec Ops merchandise is overpriced, and useless for the most part. This is paintball, you play it to have fun. If your a step father trying to impress your son by buying him stuff, spec ops is the way to go. I"d continue my rant, but saving private ryan is on!

[schway1313]

They try to make PaintBall look so hardcore and serious

so ur sayin pb isnt hardcore and seriouse...well i think some ppl take it way seriously when thats their job....and i'm deff a hardcore player..i play in any weather and stuff and ther are more hardcore players outthere...hell look at some tof the custom guns there are on this site...if pb isdnt hardcore and seriouse wut sport is?

[Colonel Sanders]

Sorry, I worded that wrong. I didnt mean to sound like I was saying paintball is not serious, because I acknowledge that it is very serious for many people. What I was trying to say is that there are different levels in "seriousness" and "hardcore... ness" and Spec Ops kinda overshoots the mark.

Sure, big competitors that play in tournaments for money, and for a living, are serious and hardcore about it, but the level Spec Ops tries to take paintball to is just ridiculous. Even the name "Spec ops" shows this. Spec ops is a term mainly used by the miliatary and SWAT teams, not a sport where (with all due respect to paintball and its fans/players) you essentially splatter other players with paint in a game. Just reading the link, the paragraph says "From the darkest depths of the SpecOps factory, an elite team of rogue engineers has been covertly crafting the cutting edge in paintball equipment: Black Cell"

I started laughing when I read how hard the writers tried to make "We made a new brand of paintball equipment" sound so dramatic. Its like me working at McDonalds. As I deliver a Big Mac to a customer, I say :"Forged deep within the confines of our most technologically advanced ovens, an independent squad of elite minimum-wage workers has succeded in producing the most delicious and tasty sandwich ever known to mankind!"

Paintball is a serious and intense sport, and I love it. I'm saying Spec Ops just makes paintball look ridiculous. I saw somewhere at their site, that there was an actual paintball Jeep. A freakin Jeep. Who knows how much it cost. Its one thing to pay several thousand dollars for a gun, its another thing to buy paintball "Rocket Launchers" and paintball "Hummers".

[dynastyfan]

Why is it that a speedballer can buy a 1,300 dollar gun, 140 dollar hopper, 200 dollar tank, god knows how much onclothing. Then he is seen as bad ######. But a woodsballer buys a 500 dollar gun, 45 dollar hopper, 20 dollar tank, and 150 on a tac vest. But he is seen as an idiot. While sure spec ops is way over priced,but they are a niche market, they are selling products that no other company sells. So they can charge what ever price they want. As a company they should be respected for succeding and going as far as they have. While i think most the products of spec ops are about as useful as a submarine with a screen door. There are alot of people who will stand by spec ops. Also on the point of the sport, we are not cathing balls, or racing. We are SHOOTING EACH OTHER, name one sport(other than airsoft) where the players shoot each other. My last thought this dead horse has been beaten into a bloody pulp and this thread should be closed.

[tl+]

Something like 70% of all sales in paintball comes from rec/scenario. For the 70% of people who do that. This is an excelente product.

[Brendonc]

Well the guns arent THAT bad... you think theyre gay then dont buy them. Theyre just for people who like playing scenario games like with high strategy and stuff. Spec Ops paintball really seems to be into that sorta thing. And like dynasty (i think) said theyre making the ion into a sorta woodsball version which is a good strategy.

[black magic]

that cheap crap just wasted 30 seconds of my life

[21 Gunz]

The guns look better than a regular ion...Thats sad considering its SpecOps.

Gunz

[i wish i had a e orr-acle]

ok well i play speedball. And really i hate the ion to many people have them so i really dont give people with ions respect. But if i saw some1 with those spec guns i would give them respect. I think the sniper version looks sweet even if there really isnt sniping in paintball.

[Shoot'm up]

Originally posted by Russ7017@Nov 4 2005, 09:20 PM
that's sooo gay
111178


Tru Dat

[ion_god91]

Thats actually pretty cool, it adds a whole new edge to scenario play, if i were i scenario player i would definaterly jump on that. i wonder if paintball.com will do a review?

[mat_890]

Ok if you dont like this style of paintball thats fine but understand some ppl do...take me for example while most ppl ON THIS SITES dream gun is a dm6, timmy, angle, ect. mine is a A-5 with a paint gernade launcher, infa red lazer sight (for night vision) and stock,sight rail,mag to make it look similar to an m4 or whatever they modeled it after.... funny thing is they cost about the same price, i checked it all out on spec opps

also the paintball jurseys, pants, gloves are about the same price as cammys

so look at it this way if 2 players from 2 versions of paintball both have their dream gun and equipiment and they both spent the same amount of money then nobody has waisted anything

please god think about what i just said and never post about something like this being a waist of money again.

[paintamaniac]

Those are the gayest things I have ever seen :blink:

[Colonel Sanders]

SpecOps likes to advertise in what I call a:

"Technological-Tom Clancy-Millitary-Swat Team-High-Tech" style. Add a bunch of fancy computer graphics and "buzz-words" and you can sell anything at any price these days. They are just paintball guns, but with the way SpecOps tries to dramatizes their products, you would think some new kind of Technologically-Advanced-Elite-Futuristic-Destructive-High-Powered-Assualt Rifle was issued by the CIA to kill terrorists with.

[yellowpumpguy]

Originally posted by Colonel Sanders@Dec 14 2005, 06:44 PM
SpecOps likes to advertise in what I call a:

"Technological-Tom Clancy-Millitary-Swat Team-High-Tech" style. Add a bunch of fancy computer graphics and "buzz-words" and you can sell anything at any price these days. They are just paintball guns, but with the way SpecOps tries to dramatizes their products, you would think some new kind of Technologically-Advanced-Elite-Futuristic-Destructive-High-Powered-Assualt Rifle was issued by the CIA to kill terrorists with.
131957

That was said so elequoently. Why couldn't I have said something about SpecOps as well as you did? Any way, I totally agree. Spec Ops does has cool stuff for scenario, but they bash any thing else so readily and try make them selves out as something oh so special that it becomes really aggravating. This is why I hate them so.

[Ego6er]

Originally posted by Russ7017@Nov 4 2005, 04:20 PM
that's sooo gay
111178

(I dont think markers have sexuallity)
I think that is stupid, somthing they could have left on the drawing board, but then again with out company's like spec-ops, how can we ever figure out what's REALLY stupid as opposed to mildly stupid!

[psychofruit]

now this is a toss up for me... i cant figure out if there were a bunch of guys going "hey the ion doesnt look that nice to begin with so lets see how gay we can make it with a ton of stuff you dont need and dont serve purposes". or if it was a bunch of noobs going "omg i love that new smart parts ION its soo 1337... hey lets make it commando so we can pwn all those guys with there needlessly fast timmys ahahahah (pwned.nl guy laugh)". either way it never should have been done... leave that commando stuff to tippmann, at least they can pull it off and make it look serious

[Chicano Pballer]

why argue which is better when you can just enjoy both. if you favor one than what the other does shouldnt concern u. simply stated: speedball players leave woodsballers alone and woodsballers leave speedball players alone.

[phated.blue]

To C. Sanders: Have you even read Tom Clancy? It's more spy and large scale (ie, sum of all fears) stuff then high-tech 1337 weaponry for pwnage on teh n00bs. There are like two books that deal with stuff like that.

To Everyone Else: Speedball is to Woodsball as Nascar is to Drag Racing. The tactics for one, don't work for the other. Special Ops makes guns that perform really well in woods situations. Speedball needs light wieght, fast shooting guns. Woodsball need accurate, low profile guns. Spec ops mods make sense. It's not like RAP which is downright gay. They are overpriced though. Also, the main reason I like them is that they use some of the best woods equipment and write reviews on it and that they have great tactics.

My oppinion on BlackCell: Sucks. Tippys are better for the woods. Course, this stuff might work out.

To Haters: Have you tried Spec Ops gear? Most people who have have written reviews on sites like pbreview and have given that stuff good ratings. There is a reason why they are doing so well.

That tank is for the Tank battle in the midwest. It was built on the chasis of an Isreali Attack Vehical and comes at over 30 grand. It is the best tank in paintball.

[phated.blue]

oh yea, Spec Ops is really melodramatic. Alot of people like that. Look, if you play a video game, you want it to be as realistic as posible right? (disregard the first 3 dooms, they were tight) In paintball, some people want it to be the same thing. It is arguably like the most realistic video game ever (other then war, but that's not a game). Do I like the melodrama, not really, but it's fine by me. I think it's really funny.

And brigade gets you free stuff/game locator. Join with my sig.

[SSDDismymotto]

Originally posted by thevoiceinurhd@Nov 10 2005, 01:28 PM
There are alot of woodsball tournaments around here, 114368



lol the cheating must be off the charts

[Colonel Sanders]

Originally posted by phated.blue
To C. Sanders: Have you even read Tom Clancy? It's more spy and large scale (ie, sum of all fears) stuff then high-tech 1337 weaponry for pwnage on teh n00bs. There are like two books that deal with stuff like that.

Spy stuff? Exactly. High-tech 1337 weaponry/gadgets and spy stuff go hand-in-hand.

To be honest, I have only read one actual Clancy book, Larry Bond is my favorite technothriller author. I was really referring more to the Rainbow 6 and Splinter Cell game series, but both the books and games feature the kind of "dramatic high-tech" style that I think SpecOps tries to imitate.

[phated.blue]

the rainbow six game series makes me giggle...

[mat_890]

Originally posted by SSDDismymotto@Dec 22 2005, 09:55 PM
lol the cheating must be off the charts
136414



actually cheeting seems to be part of the game in speedball as a topic showed us almosteverybody here admitted to cheeting

in woodsball there is nothing to pass of the paint on yourself as anything but a hit ...you cant say it was "bunker rub" or paint on the floor or from last minuits game

so bacally when the game is over is the winner has a little pink smear covered in dirt ...he scewd

[surealpaintballer]

they sell "Sniper tubes" (known to everyone else as 10 round tubes) for a buck each...while its .10 cents each at wevo...funny

[Newbie]

Originally posted by Colonel Sanders@Dec 14 2005, 11:44 PM
SpecOps likes to advertise in what I call a:

"Technological-Tom Clancy-Millitary-Swat Team-High-Tech" style. Add a bunch of fancy computer graphics and "buzz-words" and you can sell anything at any price these days. They are just paintball guns, but with the way SpecOps tries to dramatizes their products, you would think some new kind of Technologically-Advanced-Elite-Futuristic-Destructive-High-Powered-Assualt Rifle was issued by the CIA to kill terrorists with.
131957


so your really saying ops makes things look to cool and unrealistic to u, whats wrong with making guns look cool...u think its a load of extra crap but when speed ball ppl buy new grips and body kits and fancy there guns up with drop downs and stuff its ok..why cant woods ballers customize ther guns just as mush as speed ballers if not more???....whats wrong with woods ballers gun be nice and high tech looking u say its over the top..i can give you a ton of speed ball guns that i thinkare way to flashy and over the top ugly...dont bash spec ops for making the guns ppl want

[nawtydog]

I didnt really take time to read any of your guys posts, I just read to the part where somebody said woodsball is dead, and that just jerked my chain. :angry: All I play is woodsball, no speedball at all. Speed ball is fun dont get me wrong but anybody can hide behind a bunker shooting 25 bps at another bunker and wait to get lucky. Woodsball you need to use your head. You need tactics and team work. People who can play with pumps, using the terrain as cover, who can get a kill with 5 shots at the most, in my eyes, bring the true meaning to paintball. Have you ever been to Oklahoma D-Day??? Well, Im assuming not, but anyway you can not tell me that being part of a squad moving through the trees to take out Germans is not fun. That playing with 4,000 people at one time is not better than speedball. 4,000 people. Do you know how many that is. And D-Day isnt like that pensilvania skirmish game either. Up there, doesn't even resemble dday. They got some landing craft and you run across the field with about a billion balls in the air. Oklahoma is where you get the full effect.

Oh sorry of the woodsball subject. Anywho just for saying that I think you should get kicked in the face with a cleat.

[surealpaintballer]

Originally posted by nawtydog@Jan 1 2006, 11:33 PM
I didnt really take time to read any of your guys posts, I just read to the part where somebody said woodsball is dead, and that just jerked my chain. :angry:* All I play is woodsball, no speedball at all.* Speed ball is fun dont get me wrong but anybody can hide behind a bunker shooting 25 bps at another bunker and wait to get lucky.* Woodsball you need to use your head.*

Oh sorry of the woodsball subject.* Anywho just for saying that I think you should get kicked in the face with a cleat.
142471


arg...

not like we just go out there shooting 1,000,000,00000, paintballs and runing to the althouh it may look like that its not.

[Colonel Sanders]

I noticed several flaws in your reply, newbie. I broke down your post and replied to each part, hopefully it will help you understand what I am trying to say.
so your really saying ops makes things look to cool and unrealistic to u, whats wrong with making guns look cool...
I never said anything was wrong with making guns look "cool". From my perspective, its just a waste of money. If you like spending alot of money on gear that some people view as unnecessary, by all means, pay $200 for a laser sight that was "forged within the deepest confines of the rogue labs of elite scientists."
u think its a load of extra crap but when speed ball ppl buy new grips and body kits and fancy there guns up with drop downs and stuff its ok..
What? I think people spending lots of money on unnecessary speedball junk is also a waste of money. I play woodsball with a $200 pump marker, so I'm not biased against woodsball. I'm just against a company that makes, sells, and presents their markers in the fashion that Spec Ops does, whether for Speedball or Woodsball. I don't know how you and dynastyfan see the views of other players regarding speedball and woodsball, but if someone spends over $1000 on paintball gear that isn't worth it, I view it as stupid no matter what field it is used in.
why cant woods ballers customize ther guns just as mush as speed ballers if not more???....whats wrong with woods ballers gun be nice and high tech looking u say its over the top...
While I think it's great and all that your trying to use rhetorical questions to help prove your point, I'm sorry to say that their irrelavant, as they do not relate to anything I previously typed. I never said "woods ballers cant customize thier guns as mush as speed ballers". You are replying as if I criticized woodsball, but all I did was share my opinion about the SpecOps company.
i can give you a ton of speed ball guns that i thinkare way to flashy and over the top ugly
Umm... ok? I don't know how pointy out other ugly guns would help you defend SpecOps, but whatever you say. Once again, I am criticizing Spec Ops, not Woodsball.
dont bash spec ops for making the guns ppl want
I'm not "bashing" Spec Ops for making guns people want, I'm "bashing" them for (as YPG said) "taking decent markers, sticking on a bunch of useless crap on them, and selling em' for a ridiculous price", and advertising in an exaggerated (and imo, stupid) manner.

[Chicano Pballer]

bash spec ops for over charging marker?

what is wrong with making profit?

[Colonel Sanders]

bash spec ops for over charging marker?

what is wrong with making profit?

Another irrelevant rhetorical question. I never said, hinted at, or suggested that there was anything wrong with making profit. From my perspective, SpecOps sells useless things at overcharged prices in a dramatized format. That is what I view as "wrong" with SpecOps, not that they make profit. How you view SpecOps is your own opinion, but because of the reasons I judt stated, I personally dislike the SpecOps company, as do many other members here, it appears.

[Newbie]

Originally posted by Colonel Sanders@Jan 2 2006, 09:44 PM
Another irrelevant rhetorical question. I never said, hinted at, or suggested that there was anything wrong with making profit. From my perspective, SpecOps sells useless things at overcharged prices in a dramatized format. That is what I view as "wrong" with SpecOps, not that they make profit. How you view SpecOps is your own opinion, but because of the reasons I judt stated, I personally dislike the SpecOps company, as do many other members here, it appears.
142874

my bad sanders i didnt mean to lash out at u spacificaly i jsut wanted to state my opinion....i should have made a more general statment..

[mat_890]

Originally posted by Colonel Sanders@Jan 2 2006, 05:39 AM

I'm not "bashing" Spec Ops for making guns people want, I'm "bashing" them for* (as YPG said) "taking decent markers, sticking on a bunch of useless crap on them, and selling em' for a ridiculous price", and advertising in an exaggerated (and imo, stupid) manner.
142571


ok thats your opinion but you have to understand its means nothing, my opinion also means nothing. same with eveybody else here. useless crap is also an opinion

bashing a company because of you opinon dosent really make sence, now if we had facts about their profit margins then it would be fair to bash them over the "rediculous price"

yes spec opps stuff is very expensive, but take a look at at the number of ppl with them ...very low amount

generally this is how prices on these kind of items work

1 person buys one ....costs ALOT to make
10 pp buy them ....still cost them alot due to desining and production costs
1000000000 ppl buy them design cost are covered and because gun is mass produced cost per gun (to the manufacuter) is lowered dramatically (so the sticker price is lowered)

an exampe is the first cars ever made....very few ppl had them price was very high. Then they were mass produced by henery ford i think, and the price droped dramatally

spec opps profit margin is likely not much different from dyes profit margin
dye is very overpriced (and its mass produced unlike spec opps)

[mat_890]

Originally posted by Colonel Sanders@Jan 2 2006, 05:39 AM

I'm not "bashing" Spec Ops for making guns people want, I'm "bashing" them for* (as YPG said) "taking decent markers, sticking on a bunch of useless crap on them, and selling em' for a ridiculous price", and advertising in an exaggerated (and imo, stupid) manner.
142571


ok thats your opinion but you have to understand its means nothing, my opinion also means nothing. same with eveybody else here. useless crap is also an opinion

bashing a company because of you opinon dosent really make sence, now if we had facts about their profit margins then it would be fair to bash them over the "rediculous price"

yes spec opps stuff is very expensive, but take a look at at the number of ppl with them ...very low amount

generally this is how prices on these kind of items work

1 person buys one ....costs ALOT to make
10 pp buy them ....still cost them alot due to desining and production costs
1000000000 ppl buy them design cost are covered and because gun is mass produced cost per gun (to the manufacuter) is lowered dramatically (so the sticker price is lowered)

an exampe is the first cars ever made....very few ppl had them price was very high. Then they were mass produced by henery ford i think, and the price droped dramatally

spec opps profit margin is likely not much different from dyes profit margin
dye is very overpriced (and its mass produced unlike spec opps)

[Colonel Sanders]

bashing a company because of you opinon dosent really make sence
Well it depends on what you define "bash" as. In my case, all I did was critique SpecOps. I stated my view on the SpecOps company, and their faults with the advertising, producing, and selling of their products. Actually, I don't think I ever really said anything harshly negative about SpecOps, so from my translation, I never really "bashed" the company. Even if I did though, bashing a company (or anything for that matter) because of your opinion makes perfect sense. We "bash" things because of our opinions all the time! Example- You see someone walking down the street wearing underwear on their head, you say "Psshh, what an idiot."

Anyways, I shouldn't have used the word "bash", I was just using it to respond to someone else who claimed I was "bashing" SpecOps. I don't think I "bashed" or "dissed" SpecOps, rather "critiqued" them.

I see what you are saying about the prices of SpecOps merchandise, about how their products are expensive because they don't sell many. Well freinds, SpecOps doesn't sell many products for a reason ;)

As a consumer, I don't care about why the product is expensive, the price is nonnegotiable from my view. So it makes no difference to me whether a SpecOps marker costs an extra $50 for a useless attachment, or because their funds go the the "Foundation For Cute Orphan Kids With Cancer, Aids, And Small Pox". Its the fact that it costs alot of money.

[mat_890]

^^^^ fair enough and very well said.

[reformed89]

this is a step backwards for paintball...

[KevinEvans]

With the length of that barrel I can only imagine how much air it uses up!!!!

[phated.blue]

it's negligable^^ trust me.

[hazardintegra]

Originally posted by reformed89@Jan 9 2006, 10:27 AM
this is a step backwards for paintball...
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how this a step backwards. to some people that might be the way to go when they want to get a woodsball gun. ok i have a ion with the lapco body kit and a $30 sight. are you all going to say that my gun is gay. by all means go right ahead. you are your own person and if you like a gun then get it. i like the spec ops guns. i play woodsball and speed ball, i just take my sight off when i play speedball. they are not taking the sport backward they are just changing the angle. what about all the team name markers. some of those are over priced but people still buy those. are they a step bakwards to?

im not flaming anyone im just speaking my mind after reading this whole post.

[phated.blue]

well, no offense, if you can take your sight and put it back on, it's pretty useless. You have to reset it every time.

[SSDDismymotto]

Originally posted by surealpaintballer@Jan 1 2006, 10:57 PM
arg...

not like we just go out there shooting 1,000,000,00000, paintballs and runing to the* althouh it may look like that its not.
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you use your head more in tournament play. god id like to play a 1 on 1 with some of you nubs...

[+S k a t e+]

POOR IONS, that makes me sad.

[dynastyfan]

Originally posted by +S k a t e+@Jan 22 2006, 05:10 AM
POOR IONS, that makes me sad.
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that drop forward on your gun makes jesus sad.

[surealpaintballer]

Originally posted by SSDDismymotto@Jan 22 2006, 01:07 AM
you use your head more in tournament play.* god id like to play a 1 on 1 with some of you nubs...
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you REALLY need to re-read my post...iwas defending speedball...not offending.

[Bear_Chat]

I guess that stuff is ok for woodsball but I would never be caught dead with 1